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Backfiring
From: Diode <me(at)aintgonnatellya.com>
Subject: Backfiring
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:00:52 GMT
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OK, I have had this car a year and 3 days now. Little by little I`m
getting things done. However, there`s 2 problems that haven`t gone away
(yet). One of them is backfiring when I get off the gas. It`s the
worst when I`m really winding it out. between each gear, POP! POP!
POP!. Usually it means that air is getting sucked into the exhaust
system pretty far upstream. The connection of the exhaust pipes to the
manifolds is solid and the pipes are brand new. Any ideas? The only
thing that I`ve come up with is a partially malfunctioning diverter
valve on the AIR system. It`s backfiring on both sides and the diverter
valve is common to both I know the valve is at least partially working
because I can feel air blowing out of the muffler on the valve if I open
the throttle and let it snap closed. The part I don`t know (yet) is if
it`s COMPLETELY blocking the air flow to the manifolds on decel. If I
have time this weekend, I`m going to disconnect and plug the AIR hoses
at the check valves. If the problem stops, then I know that the
diverter valve needs help. If it doesn`t stop, then I`m totally lost..
Next problem, breaking up. When a full tune up didn`t fix the
problem, I thought for sure the new carb would. Didn`t. What the hell
is left? I haven`t changed the coil (yet). It just doesn`t sound like
a coil problem. It doesn`t break up until I hit 5,000 RPM, which sux
because it makes max power at 5,500 RPM. That being said, I`m replacing
the coil because it`s the only thing left. Again, any ideas? I was
going to get one of those higher voltage coils from Corvette Central (40
KV). The blurb says that it "fits the stock bracket". Does anybody
know if it fits under the shielding cover? Thanks gentlemen.
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From: 194377`n`1Z37W2 <please_no_emails(at)myaddy.com>
Subject: Re: Backfiring
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:58:32 -0700
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In article <EHawc.37$c76.238282(at)news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
Diode <me(at)aintgonnatellya.com> wrote:
> Next problem, breaking up. When a full tune up didn`t fix the
> problem, I thought for sure the new carb would. Didn`t. What the hell
> is left? I haven`t changed the coil (yet). It just doesn`t sound like
> a coil problem. It doesn`t break up until I hit 5,000 RPM, which sux
> because it makes max power at 5,500 RPM. That being said, I`m replacing
> the coil because it`s the only thing left. Again, any ideas? I was
> going to get one of those higher voltage coils from Corvette Central (40
> KV). The blurb says that it "fits the stock bracket". Does anybody
> know if it fits under the shielding cover? Thanks gentlemen.
By breaking up, do you mean that it misses at high rpm`s? Seems I recall
reading something on the lines of it could be weak centrifugal advance
springs or the weights are too heavy and swinging out prematurely
throwing off the timing. It may be a distributor problem...
Here`s waving to ya - ||||
Owen
From: "Steve G" <NospamforSteve(at)Steve-Garner.com>
Subject: Re: Backfiring
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:57:27 GMT
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Ignition timing is extremely unlikely to be the problem (read that as
impossible). Early ignition advance will result in engine ping, not uneven
fireing/misfire. In addition, the properly operating ignition system will
have it`s timing advance all in long before you get to 5000.
When you say after tuning it does this do you mean shortly after or
immediately after. If you mean you tuned it a month ago and it was working
fine the day you did it and now it`s breaking up in the high rpm I would
look at the plugs again. I`ve seen numerous occasions, especially on older
engines with lower voltage secondary ign and a few years since any
freshening of the engine itself, where the plugs will start to carbon up
soon. Wrong heat range of plugs, platinum where the engine was not designed
for them, etc. If you`ve covered all these I would next look to the plug
wires themselves. How old are they, any possibility they`re shorting
through the insulation as the firing voltage creeps up. Are you using good
quality ign points if the car still has the points type ign in it. Point
bounce at high rpm was a problem with older systems. Who did the tune up
and did they know how to properly instal points? Seems like a no brainer,
but I`m amazed at how many people are unaware that you must lube the dist
cam and points rubbing block and you must do it in such a way that the lube
won`t spatter onto the contacts. If there was no lube used in no time at
all the dwell will change dramatically and will certainly cause your
problem. Yes, coil can be the problem, but again you said it had all been
tuned. I presume the tuner had it on a scope and tested coil output ( pull
a plug wire and read the voltage spike). If your tuneup was sticking a set
of points and plugs in it under the shade tree and didn`t go any further
than that, go back to the proper tune-up procedures. Run through all of the
checks including vac and mech advance, dwell angle, firing voltages etc.
There is also the possibility of mechanical breakdown. High rpm on weak
valve springs and lifters can have this affect as well. I cut my teeth on
this era of engine and my observations have been that 9 out of 10 times the
problem is related to the tuning mentioned above. The fact that you
replaced the carb looking to correct this problem suggests that there wasn`t
a thorough understanding/knowledge of the problem and system and there may
be an oversight in the tuning aspects. Carb problems are seldom manifested
as high rpm break-up.
Steve G.
"194377`n`1Z37W2" <please_no_emails(at)myaddy.com> wrote in message
news:please_no_emails-122AED.23583204062004(at)corp.supernews.com...
> In article <EHawc.37$c76.238282(at)news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
> Diode <me(at)aintgonnatellya.com> wrote:
>
> > Next problem, breaking up. When a full tune up didn`t fix the
> > problem, I thought for sure the new carb would. Didn`t. What the hell
> > is left? I haven`t changed the coil (yet). It just doesn`t sound like
> > a coil problem. It doesn`t break up until I hit 5,000 RPM, which sux
> > because it makes max power at 5,500 RPM. That being said, I`m replacing
> > the coil because it`s the only thing left. Again, any ideas? I was
> > going to get one of those higher voltage coils from Corvette Central (40
> > KV). The blurb says that it "fits the stock bracket". Does anybody
> > know if it fits under the shielding cover? Thanks gentlemen.
>
> By breaking up, do you mean that it misses at high rpm`s? Seems I recall
> reading something on the lines of it could be weak centrifugal advance
> springs or the weights are too heavy and swinging out prematurely
> throwing off the timing. It may be a distributor problem...
>
> Here`s waving to ya - ||||
>
> Owen
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